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Klas Wullt
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Posted 10/29/09 - 05:03 AM: Subject: nihilism	#51
The moralists are wrong. There are two factions of people. "Ethics opposed to reality" "Reality opposed to Ethics". It's so absurd. You cannot justify moralism with food. Not with pleasures and culture. Not with biology nor God and not with pack mentality. Nor with what sort of food you eat. If you could would idealise only those things as the only morality. Justifying morality with pleasure makes pleasure the only good. Justifying morality with biology makes racism the only good. I agree the critics have nothing but word play. Becouse if you are not an nihilist then you are part of the social structure for which fact and intellect are just a subjective popularity contest. Ethics is nothing but an egocentric imaginary world. There is no such thing as "compassion" becosue the concept of "compassion" requires something more than just "loving others people for their misery". "compassion" requires bias of how other people react to this beheavour and how its not just one Thus morality cannot escape into an symbolic dimention! Moralists place morality outside reality only becouse they have no proof of what "harm" really is. or values that can be connected to or supported any situation. Morality cannot exist in science or in an intelligent unbiased mind. Morality and altruism is only control. Altuism towards others is a way to control others and spread conformity in ways of thinking. It can feel "good" to help other people but becouse it is part of an social structure it does only "harm". It's all about an social structure that wants the individual to be ignorant of objective universe becouse said objective universe reduces the power of the social construct. Morality is an false "fact" meant to maintain a functioning society that no longer exists.

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Posted 10/29/09 - 05:20 AM: Subject: nihilism	#52
Samuel Locke wrote: Reason is a slave to passion as Worset so eloquently put it. Though you may reason with yourself that life is meaningless you will probably not commit suicide due to the nature of your chemicals not liking this thought. "slave to passion", it does not have relevance. Its very moralistic, what you mean is "I cannot think without faith". Nor does this reasoning have anything to do with such emotional things as suicide. It suggests that nihilistic reality is somehow restrictive or limiting. Basically you demand a body-mind dualism. Everything that comes from the body is "restrictive" even even though when the body as an computer produces thoughts. We are not restricted nor captured by logic just becouse we may not have or have a free will. This play of words require the values of the soul and belief that the soul does exist. What is restrictive with the way the body are? The soul here is just an escape from reality becouse of the moralists narrow world view so he cannot deal with reality thus reality is bad. The negativeness of reality is not fact so it has to be called something else, restrictive. A material world view is not restrictive. If the soul does not exist that doesn't make us any less "free" or "happy" or what you will call it. There is no reason to kill yourself or hate yourself just becous life is meaningless. It does not have anything to do with happiness.

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Posted 10/29/09 - 05:55 AM: Subject: nihilism	#53
swstephe wrote: From the description, it looks like "abscenceofdeceit" is a "hedonist", (a school of philosophy which argues that pleasure has an ultimate importance and is the most important pursuit of humanity). Does this mean the claim to be a nihilist is deceitful? Well, at least it is an admission that all values are subjective and arbitrary, but implementing any value system as justified shifts into a form of existentialism. How can you decide what another person belief depening on what they do? You can't. What you are doing is attributing personality trait to a person on a level outside of what happens inside the persons head. Philosophies are not personality traits. You cannot use your own sentience and the judgments that only exist in your mind to attribute that to another person. How the person think must be taken into account. You can't expect for example that someone that you label as hedonistic would answer to arguments against hedonism. In fact, you cannot attribute philosophier to people as an outsider at all. It must be a two way-communication. Hedonism is an paradox. Just becouse you feel pleasure you don't need an code for it. Who

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Posted 10/29/09 - 02:16 PM:	#54
Well said Klas, look at my thread on neo nihilism.
To criticize is only to establish that a concept vanishes when it is thrust into a new milieu, losing some of its components, or acquiring others that transform it. But those who criticize without creating, those who are content to defend the vanished concept without being able to give it the forces it needs to return to life, are the plague of philosophy. All those debaters and communicators are inspired by resentment. They speak only for themselves when they set empty generalizations against one another. Philosophy has a horror of discussions. It always has something else to do.

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Posted 10/30/09 - 03:52 PM:	#55
Done.

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