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Prove the pronounciation

Ratheius Netheros
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Posted 09/05/09 - 10:30 PM:	#11
Didn't our friend Wittgenstein teach us the methodology and nature of language so we could avoid such trivial arguments? It is pronounced however your particular language game sets the rules of pronunciation which is, essentially, determined by a combination of majority opinion, history, and academic monopoly. Surely if you want a precise question to the most probable (via the razor) solution to your problem you would consult with a linguist. Perhaps even a psychologist to study the inclinations of Cadrache to determine what speech patterns, with similar contexts, he is most partial to utilizing. Perhaps I am missing something important. It seems to me that the solution to this problem is simply unavailable without an appeal to a particular language game. In a nut shell, I would say Banno is right on the money. I don't see how there are ultimate rules of language. Only agreed upon rules. If we established the rules for such questions as these, we could utilize a test. But to what end would such rules serve aside from the clarity of a language. No, the clarity of the particular symbols as to what they represent. Is there a pure language, perhaps, is the root of this question? Wittgenstein, to me, suggests there is not. The pragmatists may suggest there are pure languages in the sense of that they "work," rather than that the use of a or b over 1 and 2 has a particular purity of usefulness. Though if society advances so far as to have no other issues to solve, perhaps we could determine the spatial nature of letters as to choose a language that minimizes eye strain and creates efficiencies in terms of reading it. Who knows.

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Posted 09/05/09 - 10:37 PM:	#12
Postmodern Beatnik wrote: But it isn't a correct answer. We are to take it as part of the background to the problem that there is a proper pronunciation of "Cadrache," that it depends on Cadrache himself to determine that (thus his condition that we cannot ask him about how he pronounces it). Post #5, then, only restates something already given. Yes it is the correct answer, since in entering into the game, you accepted Cad as the arbitrator. You watch - any minute now he will come along and say "Banno wins"...
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Posted 09/06/09 - 02:19 AM:	#13
It is pronounced in such a way as to enable something to happen in the way you want it to happen.
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Posted 09/06/09 - 02:27 AM:	#14
ragus wrote: It is pronounced in such a way as to enable something to happen in the way you want it to happen. Ah! So it is a magical incantation!
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Posted 09/06/09 - 03:22 AM:	#15
Banno wrote Ah! So it is a magical incantation! Did you want your assertion to make a point?
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Posted 09/06/09 - 11:45 AM:	#16
Banno wrote: Yes it is the correct answer, since in entering into the game, you accepted Cad as the arbitrator. I accepted Cadrache as the authority on how his username is pronounced, but entering the game did not require me to give him authority over logic or reason. Starting a thread does not give one final authority on the validity and soundness of the arguments presented therein. If it did, the philosophy of religion forum would contain sufficient proof that God does and doesn't exist, loves and hates homosexuals, and wants you to design square circles in your spare time while ignoring anything that could even remotely be considered an aesthetic experience (including drawing). Banno wrote: You watch - any minute now he will come along and say "Banno wins"... And if does, he'll be wrong. Your response was a true statement, but it was not a correct answer to the question. It is analogous to, though not quite as extreme as, saying "2 + 2 = 4" in response to the question "what color is my shirt?"
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Posted 09/08/09 - 02:15 PM:	#17
"Banno wins"... Not really. The true origins derived from a dualistic statement; not made by me. Not only is it 'however' you wish; it is also a specific pronounciation. Ratheus: How do you define methodology? Banno could be correct in acertaining that the incantation itself follows a methodology.
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Posted 09/08/09 - 02:23 PM:	#18
PB is quite interesting as well. Why does the meaning behind the name create the pronounciation? Back to the origins: It most likely originated again from a dualistic aspect. "Seducer" could be one aspect. There is another. Internally, I pronounce 'cat' as k - e - t; with a short e sound. Externally, it is normally k - ah - t - h. More of a hard 't' sound, with a bit of breath after it. Edited by Cadrache on 09/08/09 - 03:59 PM
"...There was a writer who asked why it was that when we find positive experiences we say that only the physical facts are real, but in negative experiences we believe that reality is subjective. He made an example of those who say that in birth only the pain is real, the joy a subjective point of view, but that in death it is the emotional loss that is the reality." - Tony Ballantyne, Recursion. _____________________________________________ Truth is want. - The internal state of matters. Truth is Need. - The external state of affairs.

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Posted 09/08/09 - 06:09 PM:	#19
According to Occam's razor there is no correct pronunciation of the word 'Cadrache' as whatever the society that has developed the symbols to produce the word could also determine the pronunciation. There is nothing inherent in the characters to suggest any pronunication whatsoever. If an alien population transmits their alphabet to us without a pronunication guide there is not reason to suppose that it sounds like anything at all.

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Posted 09/08/09 - 06:29 PM:	#20
Is this the most recent entry in the Dumbest Thread of the Year Contest?
"I don't see much sense in that," said Rabbit. "No," said Pooh humbly, "there isn't. But there was going to be when I began it. It's just that something happened to it along the way."

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