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Why are people so ignorant?

DrifterOfTheSun
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Posted 09/01/09 - 04:14 AM:	#61
Maxvilly wrote: It's poor skills of communications. Well, no… You see, when I tell you “Get the hell out of here” It means I don’t want to talk to you, I am in a bad mood and I want to be left alone A.K.A. I want you to leave. I would never tell a friend “Get the hell out of here” if I want to communicate. When people have hard problems connected to you and want the problem be solved very fast they use this. Or they don’t give a shit about you you are dying? big deal! you are dying? get over it! You have problems? go do yourself! You have problems? get over it! What is the difference? none Maybe as the Schopenhauer said you might be too alienated from people and because of that think too much into their words, so just ignore them (or try to… (attempt is vain…(Say in sarcasm/joke things you get from their words (if you want to loose family and friends)))
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Posted 09/01/09 - 04:19 AM:	#62
Landlady wrote: Are those the ones with a rotating dial? Come to think of it, I haven't seen a phone like that in ages. (My grandmother used to have one of those) I have it Well, I don’t use it but it is in good condition (my family doesn’t wants it, they say it rings as if two iron meteors scrap against each other… Well I like that)
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Posted 09/01/09 - 08:31 AM:	#63
Maxvilly, (I just put your post in quotes, it was easier). "But I am having a tinier debate here inside this thread I started, and then you become a distraction to it." Not my intent, and I feel bad if that is how it appears (or even worse really is, its hard for me to tell). "When somebody start mixing up discussions with smilies and all those humours, and I am on 'his' side bs undertone. It's it, low game. It's better to straight shot off. No need for us to excuse ourselves either way because we did not see any humour, or understand other peoples humours. Humour is the most over-rated(washed?) device in human beings systems around us and living societies. At least those types of humours which never settles on solid ground. You look like a 'brown marsmellow' kind of humour. Wrong. So to me you are right in your thoughts too 'Get over it'. We can't just tell somebody this." I take your criticism seriously, that it seems like you think I am playing a kind of game (and this suspicion that it might be true in part), take it seriously because I have my own experience (had a breakdown, was in a clinic). I spent a very long time though not able to laugh about anything and if I can do that from time to time I will. Because it helps. I think you have that wrong about the humor, but probably because you think I am fascetious or insincere, but I really am not. "( I did miss a fact, and it is in which your comment was edited and you further clarified things)" I did change the one post. One reason I changed it was I decided I wanted to persuade someone instead of just calling something they said stupid and getting nowhere. In a post after that I think I [finally] made myself more clear (number fifty).

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Posted 09/01/09 - 09:49 AM:	#64
U do not know me. But you act like it. Get over it. Now get over it!! You just show completely lack of understanding. Are you are straight thinking this over. How? Because you make an example of "I speak with a friend then I want to talk with them" But you made none an example of how It could look like when you tell somebody “Get the hell out of here” you might be too alienated from people and because of that think too much into their words, so just ignore them You could have point here. You are full of nonsense and "speculate",stop to watch Oprah, and read gossip magazines. You are a disgrace for the human reasoning, and to children that has to grow up to follow such an bizarre example as yourself. You show complete disrespect towards me, and arrogance. (or try to… (attempt is vain… (Say in sarcasm/joke things you get from their words (if you want to loose family and friends))) http://www.amazon.com/People-Skill...ooks&qid=1251829187&sr=8-3 Try to deal with it and that's just sound advice. Communications are important! Edited by Maxvilly on 09/02/09 - 10:53 AM
I had details here, ones.

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Posted 09/01/09 - 10:10 AM:	#65
Well, nothing happened. It just, i had a certain "unfair" touch to it. Perception is everything in a debate, If I jump in and start to side with somebody. My "opponents" battle becomes certainly harder. mutemaler wrote: I take your criticism seriously, that it seems like you think I am playing a kind of game Well, smilies do mean something, especially (hard to understand at times, but I did the flirt undertone? - Males are sexual creatures alright, as are woman?) It is easier to misslead an audience if we are two people against one. Now I am not to say I am some god-like orator otherwise to convince people. But it helps a lot having a partner. I can delete my post now if it is possible. Edited by Maxvilly on 09/01/09 - 10:16 AM
I had details here, ones.

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Posted 09/01/09 - 11:39 AM:	#66
Maxvilly wrote: Well, nothing happened. It just, i had a certain "unfair" touch to it. Perception is everything in a debate, If I jump in and start to side with somebody. My "opponents" battle becomes certainly harder. It is easier to misslead an audience if we are two people against one. Now I am not to say I am some god-like orator otherwise to convince people. But it helps a lot having a partner. ... This: is a wink, this: is a smile. Nothing sexual or flirty about it. I keep wondering in your posts what it is you're really saying, beyond the words, and when people react to that try not to pounce all over them and divide them into for you and against you. Most people are neither. And it is easy to read posts supercially, or to see what you want to see, or what you have been taught to know. For anyone. And that is the point I was trying to make about ignorance, but in a more general sense, that if you are taught someone is one way and one way only, then you are blind to seeing it other ways. Knowledge is a kind of two-edged sword in that respect. That was the point of my very first post (not very well explained), and it is also similar to the signature you are using about philosphers. Just that ignorance of this type is to be found not somewhere "down there", but in very lofty and learned places. Edited by mutemaler on 09/01/09 - 12:57 PM

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Posted 09/01/09 - 04:50 PM:	#67
Wait you do realize I'm a guy right Maxvilly? Ain't the first time I've been mistaken for a girl though, kinda sad.
Heard joke once: Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says "Treatment is simple. Great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. Says "But Doctor... I am Pagliacci." Good joke, everybody laugh. Roll on snare drum... Curtains.

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Posted 09/01/09 - 07:55 PM:	#68
kkiiji wrote: Wait you do realize I'm a guy right Maxvilly? Ain't the first time I've been mistaken for a girl though, kinda sad. I completely forget to correct that part of it.

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Posted 09/01/09 - 08:37 PM:	#69
Yeah sometimes it's really fun to watch some type of customer service person awkwardly trying to figure out whether I'm male or female.
Heard joke once: Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says "Treatment is simple. Great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. Says "But Doctor... I am Pagliacci." Good joke, everybody laugh. Roll on snare drum... Curtains.

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Posted 09/02/09 - 03:39 AM: Subject: about that ignorance...	#70
I paraphrased the original post, it obviously won't be 'right', more an interpretation in my own words. You have a breakdown, suddenly everyone treats you differently, as if you somehow you are stupid instead of having enormous trouble with something, treat you both as something "less" but also as an untouchable, as if you might be contagious. Maybe it is insecurity on their part, who knows, but it is very noticable. The doctors are a help but also not a help (ditto a therapist). Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Because they have their teaching, their categories, you are put somewhere, and that is somehow what you "are", this category of theirs which allows no other. By sleight of hand, some magical feat no doubt (this fetish with categories we have, talk about losing contact with reality, there's a good example). And they check in their little book, look "you" up in it, aha they say, so for this you do that, and that is about it, everyone breathes a sigh of relief, and washes their hands. Drugs are so easy, just give them. But you see it obviously from an entirely different side (not just at the moment, the bad experiences change how you see things in general), and at some point you have to wonder about all their "knowledge" that they seem so secure in, like a security blanket. And everyone seems happy just to merrily play their little parts in the whole ridiculous affair. Just make him like us they seem to be all saying, then I can be secure in my little world again (which happens to be a very big world, the one they call "normal"), which is getting more or more ridiculous to you all the time, and at some point you start to wonder also who is really having trouble with reality, you or these other people. Maybe you even land in a clinic and think to yourself, fine, not the easiest people in the world, but at least they are real people, they are really here. Have great talks. Find them a cut above the rest on the average. And know of course that most people don't see that at all, they are "secure" in their knowledge about what "people like that must be", so wrapped all up in this and so many other things they "know for a fact" that you find it a wonder they can even still breathe. Because you find them positively stifling. Tell you what, you might think: I will give you all the choice, you can be called sane or not sane, normal or not normal as you wish. And you can then bloody keep it, because no matter which you choose, and I will sure as hell be taking the other one. Edited by mutemaler on 09/02/09 - 08:25 AM

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