|Energy and Karma in a practical sense.|
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Posted May 24, 2009 - 4:41 AM:
Subject: Energy and Karma in a practical sense.
This isn't new age but I think I've came across a realization that something I'm going to call an energetic imprint exists. This can be explained scientifically as a memory and probably a lot of things. What this is is what we leave behind at every moment for someone else to pickup on and what we actively make each time we move speak or make any action, or possibly thought in the sense that a thought I have in private can leave an energetic imprint upon myself for myself to act out on later when I rethink of the subject. Therefore just thinking will leave a seed as long as I am able to recall it. But these seeds might not ever be planted in the realm of other consciousness' (people), and it may not catch on even to myself if I don't find it worthy.
So what the problem is is that there might be inherent "good and evils" to things that are commonly thought of as subjective. Lets say I am talking to you and I think you've done something wrong like use something of mine without my permission. There's a lot of different things that can happen.
-you can try to pretend you didn't.
-you can try to make me understand why you had to do it and why i shouldn't care.
-you can try to make me believe that you didn't need to do it but did anyway and that I should care and am right for caring.
As you can see, with some creativity a multitude of outcomes can occur, but which is right? Don't each things lead to more things? You see there must be inherent consequences to things despite there being subjective perceptions of whats going on.
If you make me believe you didn't use my object, I might like you better and you will have a better energy relation to me. But the fact is my object was still used and that leaves a concrete problem for me. Perhaps it was all my gas in my car. So I cant go to work without refilling. Perhaps the non objective part is how I respond to finding out I'm out of/low on gas. if i get mad and get more strict on where I leave my keys, it might result in greater happiness with having the car be under my control. But perhaps I turn into a paranoid person and that cost is greater than the newly gained control over my car.
So if you're able to see the hidden costs to every action, you might be able to see the true good and evil to actions.
This is why lying is probably described as usually an evil. Because had the friend just told me he used the car, I wouldn't have gotten worried about who used it and wouldn't have taken the steps to be more authoritative and gotten the paranoia as a consequence. Had the friend just leveled with me from the beginning.
Because not only does lying lead me down those roads and cause frustration, it adds the added potential loss of me finding out that you used my car later down the road. So the losses haven't even potentially stopped yet.
So what really happens when you find out about something like say a friend doing something wrong? That just means that an energetic imprint was always dormant in the minds of both people. As long as we remember what happened we can continue later about what the event means and the event can have new meaning depending on what new things are discovered about it. But if both people forget, or both people die. I don't think the karma continues, even if the guy who used the gas leaves a note of a confession and somebody reads it years later. The person reading it cant really make that event alive again just because he knows about it because it isn't important to his life. So even if it remains in the form of information it cant really take effect anymore.
But if you havn't realized already this is like betting and cashing out. When we make actions, we make bets, and these bets can either payout positively or negatively.
The subjective nature of ideas or words and the impacts they have is in my opinion only thought of as subjective because we don't understand the uses of things, and that subjective things are not one thing with 2 or more different values. It's that each value is a thing in and of itself. Does this make sense so far?
When you say someone is fat. Fat has different impacts on different people. A fat person naturally maybe getting offended more often. A complete stranger taking it different to a friend whose fat. Maybe some people liking it. This does not mean that fat is subjectively a compliment or an insult. It's not the same thing with different values depending on the perceiver, it's that its a different word each and every time.
When it works as a compliment it fulfills the conditions, when it works as an insult it doesn't and fulfills other conditions. When we find out what the conditions are, we know how to place our bets and what works where. Does this make sense?
I don't subscribe to subjectivity, because I think it creates a moral hazard when there is a "working objectivity" that can be considered.
Edited by klashi on May 24, 2009 - 5:06 AM
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Posted May 24, 2009 - 5:34 PM:
You have some interesting ideas, but I'm afraid there is way too much here for me to disentangle it all. When you say 'energetic implant', I take it that you mean that there is an emotionally charged memory - for you, the frustration of finding your car out of gas unexpectedly, and for me the guilt of having caused you frustration, and maybe also of having lied. That makes a lot of sense.
But at the end, you seem to suggest that these emotional charges constitute an objective 'measure' of what is good. The problem with this is that the emotional charge may not always be 'proportional' to the actual events. For example, you might have the same level of frustration even though we had agreed to share the car, and I had left you a note which you failed to notice, saying that there was petrol in a can in the garage. That is to say, the emotional charge of an imprint is not a rational, calculated thing in the first place. If you had not had a bad night's sleep, you might not have been so bothered in the first place.
In short, though I agree that there is an internal, motivational component, and an external, acting component - subjective and objective if you like - I don't think you have quite arrived at the relationship of the two. But then neither has anyone else, so that is not an insult. And I may not have understood, in which case you can explain again.
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Posted May 25, 2009 - 8:58 AM:
First of all lets take a look at the basis, the fundamental grounds of that which Karma refers to: (at least as the oldest scriptures of its meaning, as taught in Jainism, Buddhism & Hinduism refer to Karma as).
Karma = The cycle of cause & effect.
The answer to cause and effect can be described by modern Science/Physics as the law of vibration & the law of attraction:
The Law of Vibration all things are vibratory in nature. Everything is vibration of energy. It does not matter if it is a rock or water or air - everything is vibration. Even you are a vibration of energy. The reason is quite easy to understand : All matter is energy that vibrates. Everything consists of atoms. Atoms vibrate internally as electrons oscillate around the nucleus, and beyond this microscopic nucleus is vibrating energy. It is obvious that energy - and specifically vibrating energy - is the very basis of all existence.
Thought is also a vibration, because it too is alive, coming forth directly from consciousness. The thoughts and emotions of a conscious being generate a vibrational signal to the rest of the universe, carried upon the universal medium of thought. (The universe is a field of consciousness - Dr. David Hawkins). And what about space? Space is not empty. Quantum physics postulates that space contains a sea of virtual particles, winking in and out of existence. This is nothing new, though, as a concept it has been understood for millennia. The Western societies have just ignored and forgotten it for too long. All things in existence have a unique vibrational signature, or footprint. An activated vibration will generate a vibrational response from the rest of the universe. Think of a tuning fork. In its deactivated state a quiescent tuning fork sends forth no signal; however, when the tuning fork is struck, it emits its characteristic sound. A sound is a vibration, carried upon the molecules of the air. An activated thought is also a vibration, carried upon the universal energy of consciousness itself, which pervades the universe. This energy has been given different names like "chi", "prana", or "life force energy". You have a choice with regard to the kind of energy you want to vibrate. The choice is simple : Good or bad (Positive or Negative). The point here is to realize that your vibration should generate from you, it must be your own initiative. Although there are many names for good vibrations, and even more for bad vibrations, essentially you are either in a good or bad vibration. The decision is yours to make. (Yes, it is your choice - you put yourself into a vibration!)
The vibration you put yourself into is actually what you ask from the universe. By constantly generating a vibration you invite similar vibrational energy into your experience, and the result is inevitably that it will manifest. Because thoughts become things.
The Law of Attraction:
The Law of Attraction is about this : Like attracts like. Whatever the vibration you are in, you will attract more of into your experience. The vibration of your thoughts is magnetic and will attract more of the same thoughts. Emotions and feelings are powerful amplifiers to thought. It is an energy phenomenon. It does not matter whether you think in positive or negative terms about the thing you are focusing upon. What you think and feel will be drawn into your experience regardless. That is why the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. It is why the better it gets, the better it keeps on getting, and the worse it gets, the worse it gets. That is why fighting against something you don’t want will always draw it into your experience. Think of yourself as a large magnet that draws to itself that which it is focused upon, and you will grasp the concept.
One of the corollaries of the Law of Attraction is the principle of conscious creation. In order to get what you want, you must deliberately create it, through the conscious exercise of your free will choices. If you do not, your life will be created for you by default, most likely through your own unconscious belief system reinforced by the thoughts, ideas and beliefs floating around in the mass consciousness, or by picking up and buying into the beliefs of others. If you allow your thoughts to scatter all over and you do not focus on you want, you will draw into your experience a scattered mess. Because the vibration you give out is confusing and conflicting, the universe gives you exactly what you ask for : confusion and conflict. Precisely as clockwork - each and every time.
So yes Karma works into these laws, for Karma (at least explained in the oldest scriptures of its meaning, that taught in Jainism, Buddhism & Hinduism) all relates to cause & effect. So our thoughts, actions, words etc, generate a vibrational signal to the rest of the universe and attract like a magnet that which vibrationally matches, so cause = your thoughts, words & actions etc, bring about an effect, the effect is that which you attract through the result of the cause, your actions etc.
Karma, its not about punishments and rewards but cause & effect, your actions bring about the reactions.
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Posted May 25, 2009 - 5:09 PM:
Thanks for the replies my friends.
I was inspired to think about this subject because of a video on Hugh Everret parellel universe ideas. I wanted to brainstorm how this paradox effects us, I've always felt the most difficult to understand part of life was idea's, well they must work at the quantum level too.
Every word or idea just like a photon must be an infinite amount of the same word/idea, and like a photon takes specific shape upon being observed. We don't know what reality it will have until we make into an action, but even though we can try our best to deliver an idea or word the same way multiple times, just like the double slit experiment, the photons will not hit the back wall in predictable ways, it will cover the entire space of the wall behind.
The hard part now will be relating how people everywhere and at anytime relate to the canvas or backdrop in the experiment. Since we know that people are different and the same person can be different many times at different times. Either the canvas in the experiment is not really there in the predictable state we think it is. Or it's something else.
If it's the former, then photons are not the only thing "defying" convention, but the canvas the photon's are hitting are too and we havn't figured that out yet.
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