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When is homicide correct or 'right'?

Baron Max
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Posted 04/12/03 - 03:44 PM:	#31
Originally posted by TecnoTut Joining the military is something all Israelis civilians must do--not might do. Tecno, that ain't true!! The Orthodox Jews do not have to serve in the military ...in any capacity. And others can also petition for non-combantant roles. And, I might add, there are those who can and do refuse service and opt for jail time or other such "punishments". And so, as you can see, those raghead, cowardly, idiotic, bastards have it all wrong ..... AGAIN!!!!! Ya' can't deny it, Tecno, those stinkin', ragheads DO target children ....time and time again. And we both know that it's 'cause they're so fuckin' cowardly that they know little kids can't fight back! You can't excuse it, Tecno, no matter what you say or how you say it ....killing little kids and innocent women is cowardly and it only shows their total disregard for human life. I hope, when they blow themselves to bits, they find they're 29 beautiful virgins waiting patiently .....without holes!!! Baron Max

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Posted 04/12/03 - 04:07 PM:	#32
By Baron Tecno, that ain't true!! The Orthodox Jews do not have to serve in the military ...in any capacity. And others can also petition for non-combantant roles. And, I might add, there are those who can and do refuse service and opt for jail time or other such "punishments". Even so Baron, the Orthodox Jews politically, morally, and financially support the Israeli army. Also, with respect to the Israeli political spectrum, they're the most militant than any other Jewish party. To put things in perspective, the Orthodox party is to the right of the already militant Likud party. The Likud party ues the peace process as ransom. The Orthodox Jews, however, want no peace process period--even if the Palestinian stop resisting. They want all of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and other parts of Syria and Lebannon. By Baron You can't excuse it, Tecno, no matter what you say or how you say it ....killing little kids and innocent women is cowardly and it only shows their total disregard for human life. Once again Baron you assume the Jews are right and the Palestinians wrong, hence your "innocent women" vocabulary. Second, in most attacks children are not killed--this is a statistical fact. The ones that are killed happen to be there when an attack occurs. Remember, suicide bombings attack indiscriminately, not discriminately--children just happen to be there. The parents of the children assumed the risk by moving their children in a warzone. My father would never have brought me here had there been an equal number of Native Americans still fighting modern Americans. Finally, the number of children casualties is exponentially higher on the Palestinian side. This link is helpful and appears neutral--it cites 66 Palestinian children killed in 2000 and no Israeli children killed: http://www.caabu.org/press/factsheets/casualty_stats.html
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Posted 04/12/03 - 08:32 PM:	#33
Baron, Why is it wrong to kill women and children? I'm not saying it isn't, I just want to hear your take on this one.

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Posted 04/13/03 - 03:42 AM:	#34
Originally posted by Woods Baron, Why is it wrong to kill women and children? Well, thats an excellent question ...I'd like to see everyone else try to answer it, too. It ain't so simple! For me, it IS simple; combatants kill combatants, NOT the weak, the "innocent" or those who present no threat to the combatants. I'm not against killing women and children who take up arms ....they should be killed in no less fashion than men who take up arms. I also make no distinction with how they're killed - with a single bullet or a 105mm howitzer!! See? And I make no distinction between kids who throw stones at the "warriors" any more than to take up a gun and shoot bullets at 'em. If they wish to be, and remain, "innocent", then they shouldn't be killed. It should also be obvious to you that it's a personal judgement on my part. In others words, I don't necessarily "permit" just anyone to make that judgement ....only I can make it. And I think that's pretty much true of everyone else. My "judgement" that women and children are "innocent" is like a scale of values for a point of beginning. I.e., they're innocent, until they pick up a stone or a gun or a knife and treaten the combatants. If they do, shoot 'em! And note that I feel the same way about weak, innocent MEN ...if they present no threat to the combatants, they shouldn't be killed or harmed. The world of humans is made up of "combatants" and "innocents" and thats the way it's been since the 'beginning'(on a scale, of course). And please understand that "innocent" doesn't necessarily mean that they can shoot off their mouth or demonstrate in the streets, either! If they encite rebellion, shoot 'em - they're no longer "innocent". It's a world of survival and it's always been those who are the strongest or with the biggest guns will survive. ...been that way for millions of years and it ain't likely to change in the near future. .....and I'm all for it, by the way. (Just in case you couldn't tell from my post!) Baron Max

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Posted 04/15/03 - 03:54 AM:	#35
Originally posted by Baron Max For me, it IS simple; combatants kill combatants, NOT the weak, the "innocent" or those who present no threat to the combatants. ** The world of humans is made up of "combatants" and "innocents" and thats the way it's been since the 'beginning'(on a scale, of course). ** Is it only the world of humans or is it the world? Whats the difference between killing a non-threatening innocent animal and killing a woman or child? Logically, what is the answer? not "it makes me sadder when I see women and children dying then when I see animals dying" what could a real reason possibly be?

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Posted 04/15/03 - 05:59 AM:	#36
Originally posted by Baron Max Tecno, that ain't true!! The Orthodox Jews do not have to serve in the military ...in any capacity. Then what the heck was I doing back in '84? I thought I was in a yeshiva for students who wanted to split the time between military service and religious study. See Yeshivat Kerem BeYavneh. (Not that I, an American, was expected to put in any military service. Just because a large segment of one population qualify for the clergy exemption doesn't mean that all do, or even that one who has no ability or inclination for rabbinics can magically get out of services by putting on a hat.

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